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[19:09:26] *ChanServ* [#worldwind-meeting] Welcome! Agenda: http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/Community_Meeting_2006-02-01
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[19:09:26] <10@Bull_[UK]> «Thanks ChanServ»
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[20:29:55] <10@Bull_[UK]> pinged randy
[20:30:10] <14stepman> chanserv hasn't been updated for a year :)
[20:30:14] <10@Bull_[UK]> need Chad too
[20:30:18] <10@Bull_[UK]> hee
[20:30:34] <10@Bull_[UK]> dunno who has access
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[20:32:30] <03@Vigilant> Moo
[20:32:36] <10@Bull_[UK]> oink
[20:32:43] <10@Bull_[UK]> :)
[20:32:52] <14Selar> moof
[20:32:58] <10@Bull_[UK]> now wher s Chad
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[20:36:46] <10@Bull_[UK]> so how are things without wonderboy Randy?
[20:37:03] <03@Vigilant> err?
[20:37:17] <03@Vigilant> I dunno, it was kinda quiet around the office before hand.
[20:37:17] <10@Bull_[UK]> Chris
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[20:37:21] <14withak> i think he meant "wonderboy, randy"
[20:37:24] <10@Bull_[UK]> hehe
[20:37:31] <14PatricioLaNASA> :~)
[20:37:33] <03@Vigilant> Still kinda quiet afterwards.
[20:37:38] <03@Vigilant> But I'll still poke his brain apart.
[20:37:44] <10@Bull_[UK]> :)
[20:37:54] <10@Bull_[UK]> welcome
[20:38:02] <14PatricioLaNASA> nice to be here
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[20:38:28] <10@Bull_[UK]> bout time Chad
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[20:38:37] <03@T_Servo> there made it
[20:38:47] <03@T_Servo> some of us have an hour drive home
[20:39:00] <10@Bull_[UK]> we have all beenwaiting sheesh
[20:39:05] <10@Bull_[UK]> hehe
[20:39:19] <10@Bull_[UK]> tom fr moderator
[20:39:46] * @Bull_[UK] has rubbish typing skillz again
[20:39:56] <03@T_Servo> again?
[20:40:00] <14PatricioLaNASA> isthere a meeting going on here
[20:40:05] <14PatricioLaNASA> ???
[20:40:13] <14Selar> yes, sir
[20:40:16] <14Selar> we even have an agenda!
[20:40:24] <03@T_Servo> think so
[20:40:32] <10@Bull_[UK]> just about to start
[20:40:47] <03@T_Servo> starting now
[20:40:50] <10@Bull_[UK]> http://www.worldwindcentral.com/wiki/Community_Meeting_2007-03-14
[20:40:52] <03@T_Servo> Management of WW.net development
[20:40:54] <03@T_Servo>     * A project manager should be used to help focus development progress, set milestones and identify resources
[20:40:56] <03@T_Servo>     * Should be someone that can manage the developers and someone that would be listened to and can communicate back and forth with NASA
[20:40:58] <03@T_Servo>           o Nomination of names (or organisation? FEF) 
[20:41:00] Bull_[UK] sets mode: -o+v Bull_[UK] Bull_[UK]
[20:41:05] <03@T_Servo> first topic
[20:41:29] <03@T_Servo> we need 2 patricks I think
[20:41:41] <10+Bull_[UK]> yeah
[20:42:09] <03@Vigilant> Let me take care of Patrick on my end, brb
[20:42:09] <14Selar> well, we need a FEF one
[20:42:16] <14Selar> to keep FEF development and goals on track
[20:42:36] <03@Vigilant> Freak
[20:42:44] <03@Vigilant> Diddn't recognize your nickname.
[20:42:44] <03@T_Servo> but really, I noticed it with 1.4 and I am seeing it now.... development is all over the place.. people are doing their own thing
[20:42:46] <03@Vigilant> Cute.
[20:43:12] <14Selar> maybe more than one, but we definitely need some organizating concept 
[20:43:24] <10+Bull_[UK]> well thats me, chad, or adam I guess as lead
[20:43:41] <14PatricioLaNASA> fresh meat!
[20:43:45] <03@T_Servo> oh geeze, as if I don;t have enough going on ;)
[20:43:47] <14stepman> i think it should be just one person. otherwise it's miscommunication all over again
[20:44:08] <10+Bull_[UK]> yup a figurehead
[20:44:16] <14PatricioLaNASA> one person is good, that way we can decipher 'fix the problem, not the blame'
[20:44:33] * @T_Servo talks to patrick and randy enough as it is... ;)
[20:44:53] <14stepman> so any volunteers?
[20:45:01] * +Bull_[UK] volunteers on a trial basis
[20:45:12] <14Selar> i would, too
[20:45:18] <14PatricioLaNASA> i have talked with Bull (Daniel) and he is game and i feel a degree of confidence there, i volunteer Bull
[20:45:19] <03@T_Servo> would prefer someone that would know how to manage a project
[20:45:43] <14PatricioLaNASA> Bull has  proven trout-swinging track record
[20:45:50] <03@T_Servo> ok
[20:46:08] <10+Bull_[UK]> if i suck fire me, or maybe a revote in x months?
[20:46:12] <14PatricioLaNASA> we can't get everything in one person, technical and management ti,e
[20:46:23] <10+Bull_[UK]> true
[20:46:24] * withak hands Bull_[UK] a bigger, more durable trout
[20:46:33] <03@_adam_gfx> i can help out with technical explanations that bull doesnt get
[20:46:35] <14PatricioLaNASA> like me, i ain't technical, (but then i can't manage either)
[20:46:51] * +Bull_[UK] mmm supertrout
[20:47:00] <10+Bull_[UK]> thans adam
[20:47:06] <03@T_Servo> PatricioLaNASA is good at just sending to other people instead ;)
[20:47:10] <14PatricioLaNASA> this is your puppy boys, and in fact is it some big seas
[20:47:21] <14PatricioLaNASA> NASA is your conscience
[20:47:27] * nhv thinks best managers are those that make it easy for the troops todo the work
[20:47:50] <14PatricioLaNASA> we fullu inted to be back on board with v1.5 with a vengeance
[20:47:59] <14PatricioLaNASA> moving the API-architecture into .NET
[20:48:06] <10+Bull_[UK]> cool
[20:48:30] <14PatricioLaNASA> but right now the .NET muscle is all WWC and their 'ilk'
[20:48:52] <14Selar> it'd be nice to flex it in ways that'll be helpful
[20:49:07] <14PatricioLaNASA> and NASA still needs to maintain a degree of 'stabilizing' influence
[20:49:13] <14Selar> not just for FEF and the OSusers, but also in aligning with NASA's API goals
[20:49:55] <14Selar> NASA's a very important part of what we do :)
[20:49:58] <03@T_Servo> along that line...
[20:50:11] <14PatricioLaNASA> Chad, we only send peple who can do the job and return in tact!
[20:50:14] <03@T_Servo> Next topic:
[20:50:15] <03@T_Servo> FEF releases of World Wind - Would NASA be happy for FEF to make more frequent releases (un-meatballed), and then when NASA feels ready for an official realease we will do an official build with all their concerns met. (Patrick: NASA would be happy with more frequent releases of NASA World Wind on a strategically planned basis.)
[20:50:17] <03@T_Servo>     * This may be easier if NASA makes their own list of goals and guidelines for an official release for the OSC to aim for. (Patrick: The 'list' should be prioritized by the players, just like v1.4 was. Am I missing something?) 
[20:50:37] <03@T_Servo> Vigilant: Is the presentation just about ready you think?
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[20:50:47] <14PatricioLaNASA> in a word, note my comment there already, 'no'
[20:50:57] <03@WarlordPremiereR> Lots of text!  I hope you good at talking
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[20:51:07] <10+Bull_[UK]> releases on wwc not sourceforge
[20:51:12] <14PatricioLaNASA> more frequent releases, yes
[20:51:37] <14withak> reviving the builds server might help get more testing
[20:51:47] * PatricioLaNASA cares not where they come from, /me cares that they come in the right place
[20:51:52] <14withak> so people wanting to test new stuff wouldn't have to compile
[20:52:04] <14withak> or wait until a beta
[20:52:19] <14PatricioLaNASA> this is either NASA World Wind, or you guys are on your own
[20:52:24] <10+Bull_[UK]> yeah we need a build server
[20:52:29] <10+Bull_[UK]> ok
[20:53:04] <14PatricioLaNASA> we are glad for more releases as long as they are strategically planned and prioritized by the players
[20:53:07] <03@_adam_gfx> 45 is back, we need a way to remote desktop to the Windows box
[20:53:24] <03@_adam_gfx> I will volunteer to get it set up
[20:53:28] <03@T_Servo> he is kinda back.. he heads back out wet this weekend
[20:53:35] <03@T_Servo> er, west
[20:53:35] <03@_adam_gfx> but it needs to be a windows box
[20:53:51] <10+Bull_[UK]> what about sourceforges compile thingy?
[20:54:02] <14stepman> i guess as our new lead, bull will be glad to come up with a plan for the next release(s)
[20:54:15] <03@_adam_gfx> the compile farm is going away and was linux only IIRC
[20:54:50] <03@_adam_gfx> there are a few apps out there
[20:55:01] <14PatricioLaNASA> NASA is glad to work with that and 'bless' it, we just need the opportunity to dialugue with the players, understand the issues, and agree on priorties
[20:55:10] <03@_adam_gfx> free and free for OS to do build farm stuff
[20:55:28] <14Selar> agreed, patick
[20:55:33] <10+Bull_[UK]> yup
[20:55:45] <14PatricioLaNASA> we are working in 'your' interest, as difficult as that may seem to appreciate at times
[20:56:10] <03@T_Servo> some people like to fight though :)
[20:56:27] <14PatricioLaNASA> fighting is good, so is making peace
[20:56:39] <14Selar> as we hope to do, too, patrick  i think the OSC - NASA interaction can definitely benefit from more discussions on this topic
[20:56:46] <14PatricioLaNASA> given a choice, i'll go for the latter
[20:56:52] <10+Bull_[UK]> we can mke ome wiki pages with goals that nasa can comments on too
[20:57:09] <14stepman> hmm
[20:57:30] <14PatricioLaNASA> hmmm
[20:57:37] <03@T_Servo> ready for the next topic?
[20:57:59] * +Bull_[UK] also wants to make some guidelines pages too
[20:58:14] <14stepman> i'd suggest using JIRA to prioritize tasks on upcoming releases
[20:58:24] <14PatricioLaNASA> build farm good, WWC release not good, hope i am clear on this please
[20:58:49] <14PatricioLaNASA> NASA World Wind...
[20:58:52] <10+Bull_[UK]> k yup
[20:59:10] <03@_adam_gfx> but more frequent releases are OK?
[20:59:25] <14PatricioLaNASA> abso-blepping-lutely
[20:59:31] <03@_adam_gfx> cool
[20:59:32] <14nhv> sourceforge buildfarm is no more
[20:59:40] <14withak> next topic
[21:00:00] <14PatricioLaNASA> marguertaville
[21:00:12] <14withak> that would be the last topic :)
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[21:00:58] <14Vigilant> Bleh, stupid link
[21:01:15] <10+Bull_[UK]> hehe
[21:01:23] <14PatricioLaNASA> SoC?
[21:01:41] <14withak> SoC
[21:01:48] <14PatricioLaNASA> minor fixes/bugs
[21:01:49] <14T_Servo> ok, we going to go to SoC or the Plants for 1.4.1 and 1.4.0.1?
[21:02:06] <14Selar> let's talk about summer of code
[21:02:09] <14nhv> SoC  Google Summer of Code
[21:02:09] <14withak> Bull_[UK] as boss should make goals first imo
[21:02:13] <14T_Servo> ok
[21:02:14] <14withak> as a starting point
[21:02:28] <10+Bull_[UK]> k
[21:02:34] <03@_adam_gfx> mybe get a list of NASA things they would like
[21:02:36] <14withak> otherwise there are a thousand starting points to pick from
[21:02:58] <10+Bull_[UK]> adam - agreed
[21:03:01] <14PatricioLaNASA> Boss Bull, has a certain ring to it, who was that guy in City Slickers
[21:03:08] <14nhv> http://code.google.com/soc/
[21:03:27] <14T_Servo> jack palance's charcter?
[21:03:33] <14T_Servo> curly
[21:03:35] <14withak> what does SoC need?
[21:03:37] <14withak> more mentors?
[21:03:46] <14PatricioLaNASA> yea Curly, Bull is Curly now!
[21:03:49] <14stepman> i can mentor if needed
[21:03:51] <03@_adam_gfx> first we need to get accepted
[21:04:03] <03@_adam_gfx> i think we will have enough mentors
[21:04:07] <14T_Servo> we have adam, me, nht sofar
[21:04:08] * stepman decided not to apply as student and try to find a /real/ job instead
[21:04:22] <03@_adam_gfx> I dont think we would get >5 projects
[21:04:35] <14stepman> very well then
[21:04:42] <14PatricioLaNASA> even two prino ones would be great, three would be nirvana
[21:04:52] <14stepman> less mentoring - more time to code.
[21:04:52] <10+Bull_[UK]> yup
[21:04:58] <10+Bull_[UK]> :)
[21:05:07] <03@_adam_gfx> then we will need to see who shows up to play ball
[21:05:20] * +Bull_[UK] likes step coding
[21:05:36] <14PatricioLaNASA> especially since you can do more creative stuff with WW than with Geewhiz
[21:05:38] <03@_adam_gfx> i hope we get an I18N and speedup person to show up :)
[21:05:42] <14T_Servo> step can replace me then
[21:06:10] <14stepman> heh
[21:06:22] <03@_adam_gfx> so in a nutshell - SoC still waiting for the page to update
[21:06:52] <14PatricioLaNASA> now for something really cool, another KML, sheese!
[21:08:23] <14PatricioLaNASA> which doesn't mean to suggest that KML need not be fully applied, that's a given
[21:08:42] <14stepman> seems to be a never ending story though
[21:08:46] <14T_Servo> Infrastructure
[21:08:51] <10+Bull_[UK]> yup
[21:08:54] <14T_Servo>     * Fisheye connection to JIRA is broken. FE is very helpful in tracking code changes long in the past. Example GeoDan showed up on Tues. wanting help with ImageStore, no FE connection so it was harder to track down when it was introduced to the code. Note:Fisheye main is working.(AH)
[21:08:54] <14T_Servo>     * Datasets - 1) How worried do we need to be that any of the current datasets will go away? Due to lack of admin or any other reason. 2) Will there be a "merging" of Zipped datasets for Java and non-zipped for WW. Most think adding zip support to WW tiles will be easy, but it would be nice to know if there is a pressing need (AH) 
[21:09:03] <14withak> fisheye is fixed already
[21:09:27] <14T_Servo> what ever happened to the Brazil Ortho imagery nowak processed?
[21:09:44] <14withak> probably sitting on a powered-down HD somewhere :)
[21:09:47] <14T_Servo> do we still have that somewhere?  It seems to ne be used anywhere...
[21:09:53] <14PatricioLaNASA> hey guys, what happened to the agenda?
[21:10:02] <10+Bull_[UK]> yeah do I slap Viggy for server problems?
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[21:10:21] <10+Bull_[UK]> Datasets - 1) How worried do we need to be that any of the current datasets will go away? Due to lack of admin or any other reason. 2) Will there be a "merging" of Zipped datasets for Java and non-zipped for WW. Most think adding zip support to WW tiles will be easy, but it would be nice to know if there is a pressing need (AH)
[21:10:22] <14Vigilant> Just the way you have been doing it so far.
[21:10:24] <14T_Servo> have to, chris is gone
[21:10:27] <10+Bull_[UK]> k
[21:10:29] <10+Bull_[UK]> np
[21:10:31] <14Vigilant> The heads up messages through IM have been helpful.
[21:10:37] <14T_Servo> mashi??
[21:10:38] <14PatricioLaNASA> datasets are there, folks need to work out how to hold onto them, we can't solve that here
[21:10:43] <10+Bull_[UK]> :)
[21:10:46] <14Vigilant> In a way, I'm re-learning our our systems work.
[21:10:52] <14Vigilant> *how
[21:10:55] <03@_adam_gfx> wait - Fisheye is still kinda busted, none of the Fisheye tabs in JIRA work - http://128.102.3.222//viewrep/nasa-exp/trunk/WorldWind/PluginSDK/World.cs
[21:11:01] <14PatricioLaNASA> as said by chad, that is an infrastructure issue
[21:11:21] <03@_adam_gfx> might be just a minor linkage thing
[21:11:23] <14PatricioLaNASA> if the infrastructure is there, cool, if not, then it needs to be
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[21:11:51] <03@_adam_gfx> Patrick: I was more talking about the NASA datasets
[21:12:02] <10+Bull_[UK]> do NASA need to offload any data too FEF teascience?
[21:12:05] <14PatricioLaNASA> meanwhile it need to be strategically planned, alloted for, and found, not to mention implemented when it *is* there
[21:12:30] <10+Bull_[UK]> we can help I'm sre
[21:12:31] <14PatricioLaNASA> sure, i3 is first up
[21:12:32] <03@_adam_gfx> is there a chance (how much) they will disappear in the new future (1-2 years)
[21:12:53] <14PatricioLaNASA> i3/Isilon
[21:13:18] <14nhv> are you using Isilon disks to server data ?
[21:13:29] <14PatricioLaNASA> :~)
[21:13:34] <14PatricioLaNASA> that means yes
[21:13:46] * nhv smiles
[21:14:08] <14PatricioLaNASA> very nice stuff to have the pleasure to work with!
[21:14:43] <14PatricioLaNASA> a cadillac feel with a forumula one chasis
[21:14:55] * nhv has been playing with Sun Thumpers lately    < but this is off topic >
[21:15:10] <14Vigilant> It's the first step with playing with proper hardware.
[21:15:19] <14T_Servo> Upcoming Presentations of World Wind
[21:15:20] <14Vigilant> It hasn't died yet, so I can't complain.
[21:15:21] <14T_Servo>     * link to geoevents calendar
[21:15:24] <14T_Servo>     * News WW conferences & presentations section 
[21:15:27] <14PatricioLaNASA> Sun is joinging up with their server technology next (in the works)
[21:15:46] <14nhv> Thumpers are *very* nice
[21:15:53] <14PatricioLaNASA> Randy is so succcint
[21:16:09] <14withak> is what Sun is doing something that WW.NET could use?
[21:16:30] <14PatricioLaNASA> well, you could say Java/JOGL
[21:16:43] <14PatricioLaNASA> then you will aslo be able so say 'rack' soon
[21:17:05] <14T_Servo> we are getting a female again?
[21:17:28] <14PatricioLaNASA> the WWJ will reflect strongly back on WW# via the API-centric architecture
[21:17:31] <14PatricioLaNASA> v1.5
[21:17:56] <14PatricioLaNASA> if the funding comes through
[21:18:01] <14T_Servo> now now, no teasing
[21:18:18] <14PatricioLaNASA> we would like them to fund FEF, but FEF has to show they are organized muscle
[21:18:42] * +Bull_[UK] flexes
[21:18:43] <14T_Servo> just tell them I am FEF ;)
[21:18:48] <10+Bull_[UK]> oi
[21:18:50] <10+Bull_[UK]> ;p
[21:19:02] <14PatricioLaNASA> adam, mashi, witha, what-nick, etc
[21:19:20] <14PatricioLaNASA> chad is the value added
[21:19:24] <14PatricioLaNASA> bull is the whip
[21:19:34] <14T_Servo> Bull_[UK]: who else is going to stand in front of Brigader Generals? ;)
[21:19:35] <14withak> hopefully f0urtyfive can get back and start getting more data online again
[21:19:45] * +Bull_[UK] would love mashi back in the fold
[21:19:52] <14withak> and heating up his basement with cpus
[21:20:07] <10+Bull_[UK]> T_Servo /me shudders
[21:20:12] <14PatricioLaNASA> nhv would be wonderful, but he is too lost in OSSIM
[21:20:14] <03@Nowak> withak: they will be heating the rack now
[21:20:32] <03@Nowak> withak: in isc datacenter
[21:20:38] <14withak> nice
[21:20:52] <10+Bull_[UK]> well yup we are getting a server at a new dc :)
[21:20:56] * nhv hopes WWJ devs have been studying Planet code  :-)
[21:21:15] <14PatricioLaNASA> wonder where all these geospatial 'things' get their data?
[21:21:30] <14withak> some of them pay for it
[21:21:52] * PatricioLaNASA hopes we can get that focal point for *real* critical mass
[21:22:04] * +Bull_[UK] wants the new mars/saturn data
[21:23:13] <14withak> what got missed on the agenda?
[21:23:14] <14PatricioLaNASA> there is a gold mine in having one standard, that each can build their value-added to
[21:23:32] <10+Bull_[UK]> yup
[21:23:48] <14PatricioLaNASA> NASA can provide that umbrella, we are asking for input to adapt to your visionS
[21:24:01] <14T_Servo> upcoming presentations and Plans for 1.4.1
[21:24:28] <14T_Servo> Patrick is doing something the last week of march.. and I am speaking on the 29th
[21:24:29] <14PatricioLaNASA> JavaOne, Digital Earth (isde5.org)
[21:24:45] <10+Bull_[UK]> plans I need to go through I think
[21:24:56] <14PatricioLaNASA> Army 3/27-3/29 here at Ames
[21:25:06] <14withak> even if Bull's list sucks, it will at least be a common point to start discussing :)
[21:25:13] <14PatricioLaNASA> Sun JOGL team 24/7
[21:25:13] <14nhv> actually  we should jointly bring up the 'standard' at Digital Earth 2007   I think I have GeoFusion and ESRI on board backing a standardization effort along with the Planet team
[21:25:17] <14withak> instead of a million ideas flying every which way
[21:25:27] <03@_adam_gfx> Patrick: what do you know about - http://fwmd-mappingthefuture.blogspot.com/2007/03/splashpoint-beginning-to-current.html
[21:25:28] <14T_Servo> I need some info on the Army thing Patrick.. for my presentation
[21:25:37] <14PatricioLaNASA> roger
[21:25:39] * +Bull_[UK] nods
[21:25:57] <03@_adam_gfx> nvh: you talking a tiling standard?
[21:26:16] <14PatricioLaNASA> NASA http://searchandrescue.gsfc.nasa.gov/ already embedded with NWW
[21:26:19] <14nhv> no I am talking a 'spinny globe' protocol
[21:26:40] <14withak> they are looking for lost people in WW?
[21:26:51] <14PatricioLaNASA> downed pilots and ships
[21:26:53] <14withak> a guy on the forums wanted to know if he could use WW to find his stolen car
[21:27:05] <14stepman> sweet
[21:27:06] * nhv is not happy accepting KML being stuffed down the world's throat
[21:27:14] <03@_adam_gfx> sh
[21:27:15] <03@_adam_gfx> ah
[21:27:36] <14PatricioLaNASA> teh car navigation system will soon be NWW plus *your* value added
[21:27:43] <14T_Servo> nhv: true.. and people have started pushing back a little
[21:27:49] <03@_adam_gfx> I *was* gong to ask Patrick if he was going to voice his opinion of KML as an OGC standard :)
[21:28:03] <10+Bull_[UK]> nhv yeah kml isnt the best standard
[21:28:10] <14PatricioLaNASA> cell phones, Device JAVA, will soon tell you where you are and how to hide from carjackers
[21:28:10] <03@_adam_gfx> since NASA has a vote
[21:28:18] <10+Bull_[UK]> maybe a hybrid
[21:28:41] <03@_adam_gfx> KML is just un-necessary, we have WMS and GML-Lite
[21:29:18] <03@_adam_gfx> KML exists because it came from Keyhole.... but it doesnt need to continue
[21:29:23] <14PatricioLaNASA> KML is great, GML is better, yet they are hardly different, XML is the heart, they are leading now, we need to play that card, and others that help industry make the most of what they want to do
[21:29:48] <14PatricioLaNASA> WxS is the standard
[21:29:57] <03@_adam_gfx> i just wish they would suck it up and support GML and WMS
[21:30:07] <03@_adam_gfx> *really* support WMS
[21:30:14] <10+Bull_[UK]> kml seems messy, but GE wont drop it so we need to support it in WW
[21:30:16] <14PatricioLaNASA> servers just need to optimize the caching so that these data delivery systems get optimized
[21:30:31] <14withak> instead of zoom-pause-download, zoom-pause-download, ad infinitum
[21:30:35] <14PatricioLaNASA> optimized optimized??
[21:30:37] <14nhv> FYI  there is a good start on a C++ KML parser in ossimPlanet SVN  if anyone is interested in such a thing
[21:31:31] * +Bull_[UK] pokes adam
[21:31:36] <14PatricioLaNASA> the market will decide
[21:31:55] <14woozoom> seems a fair number of tie-ins possible (WW and OP)
[21:32:01] <14PatricioLaNASA> options will allow the market to decide well
[21:32:06] <14withak> if we optimize enough then everything will just happen instantly :)
[21:32:06] <03@_adam_gfx> OP?
[21:32:21] <10+Bull_[UK]> ossim
[21:33:20] <14PatricioLaNASA> NWW
[21:33:42] <10+Bull_[UK]> hehe yea
[21:33:43] <14PatricioLaNASA> Java/JOGL
[21:33:55] <14PatricioLaNASA> API-centric/SDK
[21:34:21] * nhv envisions a network protocol that could drive any of several 'standards compliant' spinny globe clients
[21:34:29] <14PatricioLaNASA> don't need to wrap around NWW, just drop it into your app
[21:35:02] <14PatricioLaNASA> but we need to force data exchange standards
[21:35:20] <03@_adam_gfx> so will this API be very obvious when WWJ is released? like in hit me over the head here I am, obvious? :)
[21:35:21] <14PatricioLaNASA> that is what will unleash innovation
[21:35:36] <14nhv> we need to figure out what the standards should be  :-)
[21:35:38] <14PatricioLaNASA> so damn obvious it will hurt
[21:35:49] <14nhv> :-)
[21:35:55] <14withak> you will have to issue helmets and elbow pads
[21:35:57] <14withak> beforehand
[21:36:14] <10+Bull_[UK]> erm I thought we werent allowed o mntion wwj
[21:36:26] * +Bull_[UK] slaps PatricioLaNASA about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken.
[21:36:28] <14withak> patrick started it
[21:36:33] <14PatricioLaNASA> think of it as Pandora (for you) without the box
[21:36:36] <10+Bull_[UK]> ;)
[21:37:07] * nhv envisions Pangloss
[21:37:12] <14PatricioLaNASA> aqau velva, but with a chicke smell, will drive the pussies crazy
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[21:37:36] <14woozoom> next topic?
[21:37:50] <03@_adam_gfx> margaritaville
[21:38:10] <14PatricioLaNASA> are we done?
[21:38:14] <10+Bull_[UK]> no more topics i think
[21:38:30] <14T_Servo> 1.4.1 goals left
[21:38:38] <10+Bull_[UK]> thankyou everyone for attending
[21:38:39] <14T_Servo> but that isn't an easy one
[21:38:45] <14PatricioLaNASA> goals need to be worked out online.
[21:38:53] <14woozoom> good time to start
[21:38:57] <14PatricioLaNASA> but are we still moving forward together?
[21:39:19] <10+Bull_[UK]> yeah I need to go over them, and discuss in #ww
[21:39:42] <14stepman> i definitely hope so.
[21:39:43] <10+Bull_[UK]> PatricioLaNASA I believe so:)
[21:39:51] <14PatricioLaNASA> thanks, gratzie, onegai shinaimasu, danke, merci bocou
[21:40:05] <14PatricioLaNASA> sincerely
[21:40:09] <14PatricioLaNASA> :~)))
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[21:40:12] <10+Bull_[UK]> ta m8
[21:40:26] <14woozoom> C U
[21:40:43] <10+Bull_[UK]> ok I can rebot the modem brb
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[21:44:01] <14woozoom> oh master what is your bidding?
[21:44:37] <10+Bull_[UK]> 10 virgins
[21:44:41] <10+Bull_[UK]> ;)
[21:44:57] <14woozoom> Easy 5 on each hand ;)
[21:45:04] <10+Bull_[UK]> hehe
[21:45:30] <14woozoom> oh wait..~virgins~ er..
[21:46:20] <03@_adam_gfx> so we want to prioritize ideas here or would you like to make a first pass
[21:47:06] <10+Bull_[UK]> I'll do a first pass then you guys can rip it part
[21:47:09] <10+Bull_[UK]> ;)
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[21:54:12] <14woozoom> Bull: where?
[22:06:28] <10+Bull_[UK]> on the wiki
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